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	<title>Comments on: Genealogies of Ignorance: A Conversation on Childhood Indoctrination</title>
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		<title>By: Genealogies of Ignorance: A Conversation on Childhood Indoctrination &#124; End Hereditary Religion</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Collins</dc:creator>
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		<description>James makes many valid points. I would add this exchange with a despotic parent: 
 
Since my children live with me, they will be subjected to my world view and my way of life. As adults they will choose their own. As it should be. 
 
+++++++++ 
 
Except after 15 years of living under your totalitarian regime do the have a questioning mind? Are you merely making the assumption that at 18 they are going to be autonomous and self determining people? The facts are, after many years of indoctrination during the crucial formative years of your child&#039;s life they most probably: 
 
1. Believe there is a transcendental purpose to life. 
 
2. Believe they are sinners and they need salvation. 
 
3. Believe people who profess religion enjoy an exalted position in the community and are privileged. 
 
4. Worry that if they leave your religion they will be thought of as disloyal. 
 
5. Depending upon how insular your faith community is, worry that their friends may disown them. 
 
6. Worry about what the rest of the family is ok with also. 
 
7. May be cursed with a false view of reality (evolution is just a theory) 
 
8. May be working with an untrue, distorted and unsupportable view of American history. 
 
9. May fear holy retribution for sins. 
 
10. May feel helpless to escape the 24/7 oversight of a powerful supernatural being. 
 
11. May need professional counseling to cope with items 1-10. 
 
Exactly where do you get your information about the apostate experience? What you probably mean is that they can perhaps switch from being Baptist to say, Lutheran. You make the assumption that they are still going to be Christian. This is not what it means to be autonomous and self determining. Switching between sects means you are simply exchanging one closed way of thinking for another closed way of thinking. Except for some tedious theological differences, most Christian sects are alike and only differ in some details </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James makes many valid points. I would add this exchange with a despotic parent: </p>
<p>Since my children live with me, they will be subjected to my world view and my way of life. As adults they will choose their own. As it should be. </p>
<p>+++++++++ </p>
<p>Except after 15 years of living under your totalitarian regime do the have a questioning mind? Are you merely making the assumption that at 18 they are going to be autonomous and self determining people? The facts are, after many years of indoctrination during the crucial formative years of your child&#039;s life they most probably: </p>
<p>1. Believe there is a transcendental purpose to life. </p>
<p>2. Believe they are sinners and they need salvation. </p>
<p>3. Believe people who profess religion enjoy an exalted position in the community and are privileged. </p>
<p>4. Worry that if they leave your religion they will be thought of as disloyal. </p>
<p>5. Depending upon how insular your faith community is, worry that their friends may disown them. </p>
<p>6. Worry about what the rest of the family is ok with also. </p>
<p>7. May be cursed with a false view of reality (evolution is just a theory) </p>
<p>8. May be working with an untrue, distorted and unsupportable view of American history. </p>
<p>9. May fear holy retribution for sins. </p>
<p>10. May feel helpless to escape the 24/7 oversight of a powerful supernatural being. </p>
<p>11. May need professional counseling to cope with items 1-10. </p>
<p>Exactly where do you get your information about the apostate experience? What you probably mean is that they can perhaps switch from being Baptist to say, Lutheran. You make the assumption that they are still going to be Christian. This is not what it means to be autonomous and self determining. Switching between sects means you are simply exchanging one closed way of thinking for another closed way of thinking. Except for some tedious theological differences, most Christian sects are alike and only differ in some details</p>
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