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	<title>Comments on: Is Obama &#8220;Bad News&#8221; for Atheists?</title>
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		<title>By: Ignosticias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignosticias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  I am going to have to side more with the literary-minded, allegorical side here.  Having the luxury of a meandering education, I can dispense with a posteriori limitations altogether and defend my ignosis from a purely noumenal perspective on request without too much trouble.  In fact, I almost enjoy it more. 
 
People are always presuming ignostics are fuzzy minded navel gazers.  In fact, we can be pretty critical and precise about our lack of knowledge of first principles, and can be pretty forthright in presuming that our peers also do not.  Maybe we&#039;re &quot;those rude New agnosts.&quot;  Then again, perhaps we can just emphasize that those who make untestable claims, or at least who conclude axiomatic non-sequiturs as being even less humble. 
 
I don&#039;t mind adopting a literary framework of cosmology.  Perhaps the one thing we really contribute to the universe is a notion of meaning, and not only through storytelling.  It&#039;s hard to say if we as a species are superb at storytelling, since we are pretty much the only ones that do it and we are probably biased.   It would actually be pretty disturbing and unusual, not to mention unprecedented, if our investigations into the universe suddenly revealed a narrative structure, or any natural law that was proscriptive to our cogitations on human relations and ethics.   
 
Speaking of society, I think we general skeptics need to be particular about the relative immanence of our concerns.  There is a lot of utility in distinguishing between kinds of beliefs, and for the time being individual creeds.  I&#039;m not worried about either Amish suicide bombers, or allegorical Buddhists effecting repressive institutions to curb rampant egoism.  Certainly, if we are worried about the implications people and institutions with supernatural ethics getting ahold of the destructive capabilities of rapidly advancing technology, we can save a lot of effort by focusing on the absurdities of wish-granting deities instead of dithering on about metaphysics, especially considering how little the two are related, if at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  I am going to have to side more with the literary-minded, allegorical side here.  Having the luxury of a meandering education, I can dispense with a posteriori limitations altogether and defend my ignosis from a purely noumenal perspective on request without too much trouble.  In fact, I almost enjoy it more. </p>
<p>People are always presuming ignostics are fuzzy minded navel gazers.  In fact, we can be pretty critical and precise about our lack of knowledge of first principles, and can be pretty forthright in presuming that our peers also do not.  Maybe we&#039;re &quot;those rude New agnosts.&quot;  Then again, perhaps we can just emphasize that those who make untestable claims, or at least who conclude axiomatic non-sequiturs as being even less humble. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t mind adopting a literary framework of cosmology.  Perhaps the one thing we really contribute to the universe is a notion of meaning, and not only through storytelling.  It&#039;s hard to say if we as a species are superb at storytelling, since we are pretty much the only ones that do it and we are probably biased.   It would actually be pretty disturbing and unusual, not to mention unprecedented, if our investigations into the universe suddenly revealed a narrative structure, or any natural law that was proscriptive to our cogitations on human relations and ethics.   </p>
<p>Speaking of society, I think we general skeptics need to be particular about the relative immanence of our concerns.  There is a lot of utility in distinguishing between kinds of beliefs, and for the time being individual creeds.  I&#039;m not worried about either Amish suicide bombers, or allegorical Buddhists effecting repressive institutions to curb rampant egoism.  Certainly, if we are worried about the implications people and institutions with supernatural ethics getting ahold of the destructive capabilities of rapidly advancing technology, we can save a lot of effort by focusing on the absurdities of wish-granting deities instead of dithering on about metaphysics, especially considering how little the two are related, if at all.</p>
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		<title>By: James Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is not the ideal candidate for non-believers - there is no doubt about that. However, he has yet to give me a reason not to think that he will be a significant improvement over what we have endured the last eight years. I remain optimistic.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is not the ideal candidate for non-believers &#8211; there is no doubt about that. However, he has yet to give me a reason not to think that he will be a significant improvement over what we have endured the last eight years. I remain optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Larro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t Barack&#039;s mother a self-described atheist? And didn&#039;t he only declare himself a Christian after insistence from his wife?    
    
I&#039;m not so sure he himself isn&#039;t a closet atheist. Stupid politics. It may very well be all an act (being a Christian). Anybody, correct me if I&#039;m wrong. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#39;t Barack&#39;s mother a self-described atheist? And didn&#39;t he only declare himself a Christian after insistence from his wife?    </p>
<p>I&#39;m not so sure he himself isn&#39;t a closet atheist. Stupid politics. It may very well be all an act (being a Christian). Anybody, correct me if I&#39;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: ignored_ethos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ignored_ethos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Obama has already done things that I don&#039;t agree with or that I would not have done in his position but I had already consigned myself to the fact that this would occur even before I voted for him.  I voted for him simply because I believe he has good judgement and so far he has been correct, even when I disagreed with his actions. 
 
 I will continue to believe his judgement is better than mine until he proves otherwise, until thin I will give him the benefit of the doubt (within reason), and while I believe that he unfortunately sincere in his religious beliefs I also believe he is sincere in his respect and understanding of the constitution and is being more practical (perhaps, even more political) than ideological. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Obama has already done things that I don&#039;t agree with or that I would not have done in his position but I had already consigned myself to the fact that this would occur even before I voted for him.  I voted for him simply because I believe he has good judgement and so far he has been correct, even when I disagreed with his actions. </p>
<p> I will continue to believe his judgement is better than mine until he proves otherwise, until thin I will give him the benefit of the doubt (within reason), and while I believe that he unfortunately sincere in his religious beliefs I also believe he is sincere in his respect and understanding of the constitution and is being more practical (perhaps, even more political) than ideological.</p>
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		<title>By: Goddless_Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goddless_Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree I had no idea what he was thinking when he appointed Rick Warren, but I also don&#039;t think that we have to worry about him doing quite as many  favors for the fundie crowd. I am just hoping that he will support real science, but I am not sure he will.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree I had no idea what he was thinking when he appointed Rick Warren, but I also don&#039;t think that we have to worry about him doing quite as many  favors for the fundie crowd. I am just hoping that he will support real science, but I am not sure he will.</p>
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		<title>By: vjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>vjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been over a month since you wrote this, and I still don&#039;t know quite what to make of Obama. He is getting off to a very poor start with this Rick Warren debacle, but I still have to think that he will be better for atheists than W was or than McPalin would have been. I guess we&#039;ll find out what the Obama administration is going to mean for the reality-based community pretty soon. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been over a month since you wrote this, and I still don&#039;t know quite what to make of Obama. He is getting off to a very poor start with this Rick Warren debacle, but I still have to think that he will be better for atheists than W was or than McPalin would have been. I guess we&#039;ll find out what the Obama administration is going to mean for the reality-based community pretty soon.</p>
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