Comments on: Bible-Based Morality? The Ten Commandments http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/ Atheism & Religious Skepticism Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:11:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ray_Light http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-6553 Ray_Light Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:55:52 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-6553 I’m sorry I do not understand your reply. Is there a question you are asking? I’m sorry I do not understand your reply. Is there a question you are asking?

]]> By: Ray_Light http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-5825 Ray_Light Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:11:39 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-5825 I am discussing the Bible right now, not science. I am, however, very interested in science and would love to see the DNA evidence that you speak of. Do you have a website you can direct me to? Your reply is founded on many opinions and assumptions. You seem to think that I believe in God, follow the Bible, and go to church mindlessly; or even just to make friends and hang out. I do not believe in God and the Bible nor do I go to church in order to be part of a "network of believers." Let me tell you, I have no need for your test of one year without God in my life because I have had many more than that without Him. A "network of free-thinking people?" You have generalized and stereotyped all Christians. Sure, many think what they are told because they were brought up that way, but the same can be said for anyone, on many planes of world-view (including atheists). If you follow this conversation over to the next page you will know I did not always believe or follow God and the Bible, many hours of studying - both the sciences and the scriptures - led me to where I am now. I am discussing the Bible right now, not science. I am, however, very interested in science and would love to see the DNA evidence that you speak of. Do you have a website you can direct me to?

Your reply is founded on many opinions and assumptions. You seem to think that I believe in God, follow the Bible, and go to church mindlessly; or even just to make friends and hang out. I do not believe in God and the Bible nor do I go to church in order to be part of a "network of believers." Let me tell you, I have no need for your test of one year without God in my life because I have had many more than that without Him.

A "network of free-thinking people?" You have generalized and stereotyped all Christians. Sure, many think what they are told because they were brought up that way, but the same can be said for anyone, on many planes of world-view (including atheists). If you follow this conversation over to the next page you will know I did not always believe or follow God and the Bible, many hours of studying – both the sciences and the scriptures – led me to where I am now.

]]> By: meagan http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-6094 meagan Mon, 25 May 2009 18:49:07 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-6094 Aaand for the rest of us, "God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him. And remember, when you are being tempted, do not say, “God is tempting me.” God is never tempted to do wrong, and he never tempts anyone else. Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. These desires give birth to sinful actions. And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death. So don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters. " Aaand for the rest of us,
"God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him. And remember, when you are being tempted, do not say, “God is tempting me.” God is never tempted to do wrong, and he never tempts anyone else. Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. These desires give birth to sinful actions. And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death. So don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters. "

]]> By: meagan http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-6093 meagan Mon, 25 May 2009 18:48:52 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-6093 James 1:12-16, in your seemingly beloved King James Version for your comfort. I have provided some context for you with verses surrounding the one i was referring to, but you can look up more if you so desire. "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. " James 1:12-16Open Link in New Window, in your seemingly beloved King James Version for your comfort. I have provided some context for you with verses surrounding the one i was referring to, but you can look up more if you so desire.
"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. "

]]> By: Ray_Light http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-5827 Ray_Light Tue, 19 May 2009 03:26:20 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-5827 I understand your desire for physical/archaeological evidence but, as I’m sure you have already read, I am focusing on the Commandments right now. I'd also like to apologize if over summarizing has again caused confusion. No claim was made to know the mind of God; Exodus gives us many clear reasons why Moses was chosen. The Pharaoh orders all first-born males be put to death (Exodus 1:22). Not only does Moses survive, but he is taken in by that very Pharaoh's daughter (Exodus 2:5). On top of this, his biological mother is allowed to raise him (Exodus 2:8) until the age of twelve, which is where he received his knowledge about the true God. In the Egyptian court Moses received the highest civil and military training (Acts 7:22), as he was en route to becoming the Pharaoh's successor. At the age of 40, Moses gave up all the power and riches that were his for the taking and chose to live his life for God (Hebrew 11:24-26). But all the education and training he had received in Egypt was not enough to prepare him for the great work God had in store for him. Moses spent the next 40 years as a shepherd for his new father-in-law. It was here he learned the things he had not been taught in Egypt; Self-denial, hardship, obedience, and fatherly care for those who needed his help. And also “unlearning” any influences that had surrounded him in Egypt, possibly having a hold on his heart; his high position as the king's grandson, the grandeur of the architecture and art, and the refinement, subtlety, and mysticism of false religion. Moses became patient, reverent, and humble (Numbers 12:3) during his years as a shepherd, and very strong in faith. That is why I wrote, “he was the best man for the job.” I understand your desire for physical/archaeological evidence but, as I’m sure you have already read, I am focusing on the Commandments right now. I'd also like to apologize if over summarizing has again caused confusion. No claim was made to know the mind of God; Exodus gives us many clear reasons why Moses was chosen.
The Pharaoh orders all first-born males be put to death (Exodus 1:22Open Link in New Window). Not only does Moses survive, but he is taken in by that very Pharaoh's daughter (Exodus 2:5Open Link in New Window). On top of this, his biological mother is allowed to raise him (Exodus 2:8Open Link in New Window) until the age of twelve, which is where he received his knowledge about the true God. In the Egyptian court Moses received the highest civil and military training (Acts 7:22Open Link in New Window), as he was en route to becoming the Pharaoh's successor.
At the age of 40, Moses gave up all the power and riches that were his for the taking and chose to live his life for God (Hebrew 11:24-26). But all the education and training he had received in Egypt was not enough to prepare him for the great work God had in store for him. Moses spent the next 40 years as a shepherd for his new father-in-law. It was here he learned the things he had not been taught in Egypt; Self-denial, hardship, obedience, and fatherly care for those who needed his help. And also “unlearning” any influences that had surrounded him in Egypt, possibly having a hold on his heart; his high position as the king's grandson, the grandeur of the architecture and art, and the refinement, subtlety, and mysticism of false religion. Moses became patient, reverent, and humble (Numbers 12:3Open Link in New Window) during his years as a shepherd, and very strong in faith. That is why I wrote, “he was the best man for the job.”

]]> By: Ray_Light http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-5537 Ray_Light Tue, 12 May 2009 21:17:51 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-5537 There is no inconsistency when you take the whole story into context. Some are forgiven and some are not; the catch is that you have to ask for it. You seem to think that all were punished and only Aaron was spared. All who were repentant were forgiven. This “special treatment” is available to all who ask for it. To say that it is unfair to forgive those who show such penitence and humiliation because it is “special treatment” is to say either 1) all should be forgiven unconditionally, or 2) no one should ever be forgiven; this way no one gets "special treatment." There is no inconsistency when you take the whole story into context. Some are forgiven and some are not; the catch is that you have to ask for it. You seem to think that all were punished and only Aaron was spared. All who were repentant were forgiven. This “special treatment” is available to all who ask for it. To say that it is unfair to forgive those who show such penitence and humiliation because it is “special treatment” is to say either 1) all should be forgiven unconditionally, or 2) no one should ever be forgiven; this way no one gets "special treatment."

]]> By: James Tracy http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-5533 James Tracy Tue, 12 May 2009 20:49:42 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-5533 The point of those arguments seems to be to show how God's behavior is presented as being at the very least inconsistent. It is not being forgiving of Aaron that is unjust, rather, it is the way that Aaron is treated specially compared to the many thousands of others that participated in the same activity. The point of those arguments seems to be to show how God's behavior is presented as being at the very least inconsistent. It is not being forgiving of Aaron that is unjust, rather, it is the way that Aaron is treated specially compared to the many thousands of others that participated in the same activity.

]]> By: Dennis H. http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-5525 Dennis H. Tue, 12 May 2009 17:09:30 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-5525 I ask you to live one year in a life without your god and compare it to how your life was before. I can guarantee that there will be no difference other than the fact that you may have to develop a network of free-thinking people whom will do the same for you as will your congregation. If you believe because you honestly believe the bible to be true (hard to believe) then, that is fine.... odd.... but fine.... but if you're believing because you're vested into a network of believers that will help you in time of need; I can tell you right now, that morality and ethics extend far beyond the bible, and one day when the bible is on a library shelf in the fiction section and everybody looks at christianity as we do greek mythology today...... morality and ethics will still be around, as long as humans exist. I ask you to live one year in a life without your god and compare it to how your life was before. I can guarantee that there will be no difference other than the fact that you may have to develop a network of free-thinking people whom will do the same for you as will your congregation. If you believe because you honestly believe the bible to be true (hard to believe) then, that is fine…. odd…. but fine…. but if you're believing because you're vested into a network of believers that will help you in time of need; I can tell you right now, that morality and ethics extend far beyond the bible, and one day when the bible is on a library shelf in the fiction section and everybody looks at christianity as we do greek mythology today…… morality and ethics will still be around, as long as humans exist.

]]> By: Dennis H. http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-5524 Dennis H. Tue, 12 May 2009 17:09:01 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-5524 I'm sorry to disagree with you; and as I do respect your opinion, you must be able to see where I'm coming from when I say that "You have to understand that all the people on this planet did not come from one man and one woman..... DNA evidence proves this fact. Especially given the timeline that is posted in the bible for the eventual residence of everybody on Earth today....." If you can not see how over centuries these excuses to the stated arguments have evolved, then I can see how you can NOT see how we could have evolved into what we are today. I'm sorry to disagree with you; and as I do respect your opinion, you must be able to see where I'm coming from when I say that "You have to understand that all the people on this planet did not come from one man and one woman….. DNA evidence proves this fact. Especially given the timeline that is posted in the bible for the eventual residence of everybody on Earth today….." If you can not see how over centuries these excuses to the stated arguments have evolved, then I can see how you can NOT see how we could have evolved into what we are today.

]]> By: Ray_Light http://www.anatheist.net/2009/01/bible-based-morality-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-5464 Ray_Light Mon, 11 May 2009 17:56:31 +0000 http://www.anatheist.net/?p=1268#comment-5464 When it is seen that Aaron was spared, God is unjust for being so forgiving. When it is shown that Aaron came very close to death, God is too harsh for being ready to destroy him. The point of these arguments does not seem to be about just or unjust, loving or unloving, but about choosing a contrary position to God on every account, no matter the case. When it is seen that Aaron was spared, God is unjust for being so forgiving. When it is shown that Aaron came very close to death, God is too harsh for being ready to destroy him. The point of these arguments does not seem to be about just or unjust, loving or unloving, but about choosing a contrary position to God on every account, no matter the case.

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